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"Braxianol"

06/05/2004 6:42 PM

Big Finish UNIT mini series

Not seen any threads on this here yet, so just wondering what people
think of the idea.

Personally, I'm hoping for 100% new casting, with a gritty real-world
feel that just happens to have some rather nasty aliens in it. May it
have D-notices and espionage and terrorism and UNIT saving the world
without anyone noticing five CDs a year! Basically, a cross between the
comic book (and possible movie adaptation) Queen and Country and the
UNIT from Battlefield/New Adventures (sans returning characters)

May it not have references to the seventies/eighties beyond team
briefings that mention similar encounters by UNIT in the past, neitehr
should it have cliqued psi-investigators from the Auton videos or a
sub-Doctor act-alike from the CD drama 'Zygons: Homeland'

That's my hope for the series, does anyone agree or disagree?

Brax
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[email protected] (Dennis Kuhn)

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

07/05/2004 9:45 AM

"Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Not seen any threads on this here yet, so just wondering what people
> think of the idea.


Haven't heard this news, but here's my take...

I think if they want to tell UNIT stories, they should tell them in
the context of a Doctor-centric story. As much as I love the Brig and
the other chaps in uniform, I'd rather they stay as supporting
characters, not as leads. I didn't watch The Lone Gunmen spinoff of
the X-Files for the same reason. They might be well-drawn characters,
but they really aren't who I'm tuning in to see.

I subscribe to the Doctor Who audios. I pre-purchased the Unbound
series. But I have not bothered with the Dalek war Cds or the Sarah
Jane Smiths. Why? Because I'm really most interested in the stories
that revolve around the Doctor and the TARDIS. (Which, by the way, is
why I was pleased to read the news that the BBC has asked that Paul
McGann's Doctor be returned to our universe sooner rather than later.)

Another part of my decision is made by finances, unfortunately. I'd
love to buy EVERYTHING Big Finish puts out, like the Tomorrow People
and such, but I just can't budget for that much. I really really
enjoyed the stories they've produced, and the little time I've spent
with them at conventions has told me that they are really great people
who are Doctor Who fans themselves, not just a faceless company
cranking out a product.

Dennis

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"Andy"

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

07/05/2004 11:59 AM

"Dennis Kuhn" <[email protected].com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> <snip>

I was pleased to read the news that the BBC has asked that Paul
> McGann's Doctor be returned to our universe sooner rather than later.)

Where did you hear this? No one in the production team has yet said anything
about McGann, at least nothing I noticed...do you have a website or
reference?

Andy


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"Braxianol"

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

09/05/2004 9:28 PM

"John Campbell Rees" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> During the course of this discussion, "Braxianol"
<[email protected]>,
> in message <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "John Campbell Rees" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > During the course of this discussion, "Braxianol"
> > <[email protected]>,
> > > in message <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > May it not have references to the seventies/eighties beyond team
> > > > briefings that mention similar encounters by UNIT in the past,
> > neitehr
> > > > should it have cliqued psi-investigators from the Auton videos
or a
> > > > sub-Doctor act-alike from the CD drama 'Zygons: Homeland'
> > > >
> > > > That's my hope for the series, does anyone agree or disagree?
> > >
> > > Then why bother calling it UNIT in the first place
> >
> > indeed, why bother calling *anything* after 1970 "Doctor Who"?
>
> That is moving the goal posts in a big way. "Doctor Who" is pretty
> tolerant to change, as it does not have a single setting, it cam be
> anywhere in space and time. UNIT on the other hand has a very
definite
> setting, Earth in the Twentieth/Twenty-First Century. This means that
> a set of stories revolving around UNIT needs to establish that it is
> revolving around that particular setting, by mentioning past
continuity
> whilst establishing the stories.

Licenced Who fiction has had two decades (I think, when was 'Harry
Sullivan's War'?) of UNIT that's seen the organisation move on from the
format of it being about The Doctor, a pretty girl, a Brigadier, a
captain, a sergeant and a load of stuntmen and extras wearing uniform
all running around under the direction of Dougie Camfield.

I don't see anything in my original post that would spoil or disrespect
or make the UNIT reference pointless in any way that's not been done
before.

UNIT is a international military organisation that has been set up to
combat alien incursions (alien at the most basic definition, be it
monsters from outer space or horrors from our own world) or threats to
humanity whilst keeping the population unaware that there's anything to
be unprotected from.

That's all that's needed, not some vague references to blue boxes or
whatnot. Though the Brig's their equivalent of Lawrence of Arabia, so
that'd be forgivable.

Brax

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"I. Inayat"

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

09/05/2004 4:34 AM

"Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > "Dennis Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > "Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]>...
> > > <snip>
> >
> > I was pleased to read the news that the BBC has asked that Paul
> > > McGann's Doctor be returned to our universe sooner rather than
> later.)
> >
> > Where did you hear this? No one in the production team has yet said
> > anything about McGann, at least nothing I noticed...do you have a
> > website or reference?
>
> Outpost Gallifrey reported on April 28th:
> "The End of an Eighth Doctor Era
> Big Finish . April 28
> <snip news of final McGann season >
> Individual stories starring Paul McGann will then become part of the
> monthly rotation like the other three Doctors as of 2005."

However, there's no mention of the BBC getting involved - BF have apparently
decided to return him off their own bat. Where the mention of the BBC came
from, I don't know.

Imran

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[email protected] (Dennis Kuhn)

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

10/05/2004 6:27 AM

"Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > "Dennis Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > "Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > <snip>
> >
> > I was pleased to read the news that the BBC has asked that Paul
> > > McGann's Doctor be returned to our universe sooner rather than
> later.)
> >
> > Where did you hear this? No one in the production team has yet said
> anything
> > about McGann, at least nothing I noticed...do you have a website or
> > reference?
>
> Outpost Gallifrey reported on April 28th:
> "The End of an Eighth Doctor Era
> Big Finish . April 28
> <snip news of final McGann season >
> Individual stories starring Paul McGann will then become part of the
> monthly rotation like the other three Doctors as of 2005."


Sorry, maybe my memory's playing tricks on me. I thought it was
mentioned in the last Big Finish news update. Maybe they said the
production team of the new series asked them, instead of the BBC. In
any case, I was under the impression that Big Finish was spurred to
cut short their Alternate Universe plans based on _someone_ involved
with the TV series asking them to.

Apparently it was for the sake of new fans who would watch the TV
series, then try out the Big Finish stories, and be confused by the
current McGann storyline that takes place in another universe, and
doesn't use the TARIDS to get around.

Again, this is from memory. I'll have to go re-read the Big Finish
website to see where I went astray with the message...

Dennis

jJ

[email protected] (J2rider)

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

06/05/2004 7:28 PM

I agree I guess but do we really need a UNIT series? It's rather dull sounding
and UNIT itself is not really a great concept.

En

"Emmemm"

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

08/05/2004 9:20 AM

The commentary on Pyramids of Mars suggests that the middle way is the
most fruitful, and I agree.

Two alien forces use Earth as their battleground (Pyramids used Horus
and Sutekh). That way, no boring "invasion" but two sets of
mysteries: forces we don't understand. And mystery was always what
Dr Who was about.
--
Frankymole

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"Braxianol"

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

09/05/2004 1:47 AM

"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "Dennis Kuhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > "Braxianol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > <snip>
>
> I was pleased to read the news that the BBC has asked that Paul
> > McGann's Doctor be returned to our universe sooner rather than
later.)
>
> Where did you hear this? No one in the production team has yet said
anything
> about McGann, at least nothing I noticed...do you have a website or
> reference?

Outpost Gallifrey reported on April 28th:
"The End of an Eighth Doctor Era
Big Finish . April 28
<snip news of final McGann season >
Individual stories starring Paul McGann will then become part of the
monthly rotation like the other three Doctors as of 2005."

Brax

JC

John Campbell Rees

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

07/05/2004 2:52 AM

During the course of this discussion, "Braxianol" <[email protected]>,
in message <[email protected]> wrote:


> May it not have references to the seventies/eighties beyond team
> briefings that mention similar encounters by UNIT in the past, neitehr
> should it have cliqued psi-investigators from the Auton videos or a
> sub-Doctor act-alike from the CD drama 'Zygons: Homeland'
>
> That's my hope for the series, does anyone agree or disagree?

Then why bother calling it UNIT in the first place. It will have to
act in a way similar to the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce that
was seen in the TV series in the past (and hopefully the future). I
should imagine that the new UNIT will have a civilian scientific
adviser, and access to all of Lethbridge-Stewart's files. Even a
mention of what the Doctor would have done in the circumstances. As BF
are licensed, they can do this, not refer to him constantly as "the
Dentist or something" as BBV did in "Shakedown".

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it certainly deals with the flies." - Lord Miles Vorkosigan.
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macfadyan

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

07/05/2004 3:39 PM

Braxianol wrote:
> Not seen any threads on this here yet, so just wondering what people
> think of the idea.
>

> Brax
> --
> They who break a thing to find out what it is have left the path of
> wisdom
> Moderator: [email protected]
>

hmm...I'm hoping they take a turn down the Doomwatch road - yup, alien
invasions are all well and good, but we need the home grown threat. And
I bet yer an orange to Lombard Street that theres gonna be some sort of
conspiracy running through the series - maybe with a blond guy with
funny eyes as its boss - Glasshouse, anyone?
--
You Have Been Watching....

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http://www.staggeringstories.net

"You can hear the whole of Human history in the sound of a cello." - H.
Bishop

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"Braxianol"

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

09/05/2004 1:48 AM

"John Campbell Rees" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> During the course of this discussion, "Braxianol"
<[email protected]>,
> in message <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> > May it not have references to the seventies/eighties beyond team
> > briefings that mention similar encounters by UNIT in the past,
neitehr
> > should it have cliqued psi-investigators from the Auton videos or a
> > sub-Doctor act-alike from the CD drama 'Zygons: Homeland'
> >
> > That's my hope for the series, does anyone agree or disagree?
>
> Then why bother calling it UNIT in the first place

indeed, why bother calling *anything* after 1970 "Doctor Who"?

It's because Doctor Who thrives on change, that's why!

Brax

JC

John Campbell Rees

in reply to "Braxianol" on 06/05/2004 6:42 PM

09/05/2004 5:42 AM

During the course of this discussion, "Braxianol" <[email protected]>,
in message <[email protected]> wrote:

> "John Campbell Rees" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > During the course of this discussion, "Braxianol"
> <[email protected]>,
> > in message <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > May it not have references to the seventies/eighties beyond team
> > > briefings that mention similar encounters by UNIT in the past,
> neitehr
> > > should it have cliqued psi-investigators from the Auton videos or a
> > > sub-Doctor act-alike from the CD drama 'Zygons: Homeland'
> > >
> > > That's my hope for the series, does anyone agree or disagree?
> >
> > Then why bother calling it UNIT in the first place
>
> indeed, why bother calling *anything* after 1970 "Doctor Who"?

That is moving the goal posts in a big way. "Doctor Who" is pretty
tolerant to change, as it does not have a single setting, it cam be
anywhere in space and time. UNIT on the other hand has a very definite
setting, Earth in the Twentieth/Twenty-First Century. This means that
a set of stories revolving around UNIT needs to establish that it is
revolving around that particular setting, by mentioning past continuity
whilst establishing the stories.

--
"Like shooting flies with a laser cannon, the aims a bit tricky, but
it certainly deals with the flies." - Lord Miles Vorkosigan.
>From "Komarr" by Lois McMaster Bujold
Read my Blog at http://www.20six.co.uk/Vorcampbel


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